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What Our Customers Have to Say About Windows 8

Written on March 25, 2014 by Jon Bach

Windows 8 has been out for about a year and a half now, and it is common knowledge that Microsoft's newest operating system has received mixed reactions. The new start screen (I still have to stop myself from calling it Metro!) is a jolting departure from the user interface that Windows users have been accustomed to using since 1995.

The general progression of emotions we typically see when you first experience Windows 8 is:
  1. Confusion. "What is this? What is happening? Where is the tutorial?"
  2. Frustration. "This makes no sense…I must not understand how to use this yet. Is this really what Microsoft intended? Seriously?"
  3. Anger. "What do you mean I can't change a user password in the same place I add users?!? I hate Windows 8!"
  4. Defeat. "Fine, I know how to get around all these terrible changes, but I don't like it."
  5. Acceptance. "It really isn't all that bad once you get used to it."

The truth is, once you get to know Windows 8, using it REALLY ISN'T that bad -- what is bad is that you have to go through the other 4 negative stages first. On the other hand, once you get to the point of acceptance, is it really because the operating system is improved from the past, or is it just that you have come to the conclusion that accepting it is easier than fighting it? Is it Stockholm Syndrome??

I read a great article by Paul Lilly at MaximumPC recently, which summed up the thoughts shared by a Microsoft designer in a Reddit thread. In this thread, the designer shared that Microsoft's intentions with Windows 8 was to go after mobile devices, and make the user interface friendly towards novice users. The start screen was pushed so heavily, he said, because if they didn't do that, the novice users would never find it and adopt it. Finally! It was a strategy I could understand, even if I didn't agree with it. The fatal flaw in their plan was that this new focus was also forced on the power users. Microsoft showed how out of touch they were with power users when they described them as "people who run multiple virtual machines." Sure, many power users run virtual machines, but there is a HUGE spectrum of people that fall in the middle, who know enough about how to get around the Windows OS that the new user interface was extremely frustrating. Microsoft made some much needed improvements in their Windows 8.1 update, giving users the ability to customize the OS to act more they way they want...but it was too little too late. Where Microsoft ultimately went wrong is that they underestimated how much effect "power users" can have on general public perception. These users are the influencers and evangelists of technology. Their friends and family listen to what they have to say…and what they had to say about Windows 8 was filled with four letter words! Second, Microsoft underestimated just how much these "novice users" are intimidated by change. They took something familiar, and turned everything upside down! Third, Microsoft got sloppy in trying to pursue the masses at all costs. These were users they didn't understand, and they were willing to jeopardize their existing customer base in order to go after it. They ended up with a confusing two-faced operating system that was not appealing to either camp.

At Puget Systems, we work with "power users" each and every day. It is no surprise then, to see that the adoption of Windows 8 from our customers is very weak. With the Windows 8.1 update, we are seeing a very slow increase in adoption, but even still the rate is worse than we saw back in the day with Windows Vista!  In most areas, we still actively advise our customers to use Windows 7. In other areas, we recommend Windows 8. For example, our laptops have much more mature drivers for Windows 8. Our laptop manufacturer (Clevo) thinks of Windows 7 as a "legacy OS" and only provides the bare minimum effort towards releasing Windows 7 drivers. As such, there are more bugs yet to be worked out in Windows 7, so we actively recommend Windows 8.

One unique thing we do here at Puget Systems, is we reach out to nearly all of our customers after they have had a chance to use their new PC. We ask them how it is working for them, and what we could have done better. We learn a LOT. Is anyone surprised when I say that the biggest complaint we get about our PCs is the Windows 8 operating system? We average a complaint per day…ouch! Sure, Windows 8 may not be "our fault" but it is directly tied to our customer experience, and that isn't good! Here is a sampling of Windows 8 feedback we received from our own customers in just the last few weeks:
"I want to run Windows 7 generic, unless you convince me to go with a higher 7. It will not be Windows 8."
"Words can't even describe how happy I am with the system I bought from you guys. I have yet to have any kind of issue technically so I can't really give you any suggestions other than to do what your doing, it works. The only issues I have had are on the software side, and mainly due to my poor knowledge of windows 8, nothing to do with the system at all, and easily fixed once I learned the OS a little better."
"Sorry it took a while to reply. The new machine is running fine. No complaints. But, Windows 8 (now 8.1) is a whole other issue. Running it in the legacy desktop mode is usually bearable, but anytime it reverts to the new tiled interface ... I just pull my hair out. I wish I had the time and patience to downgrade to Windows 7."
"Sure is a quiet box! How are you folks doing? ... arrghhh Win8 is terrible! Such a clumsy install and user feel to it."
"I recently had to wipe my computer and reinstall everything, so it is essentially out of the box new. (My fiancee accidentally installed Windows 8.1 and ruined the computer; had to reinstall clean)."
"I'm glad I was able to buy a machine with Win 7 instead of 8."
"I am thrilled with speed and silence, and zero tech glitches so far. I am ~SO~ glad he convinced me to follow him to your systems! I love the small footprint! I’m still exploring all the speed, but the silence is wonderful. A little bit of getting used to the Win7 -- from XP -- but that’s expected, and I’m glad to not be dealing with Windows 8 just yet. All in all? It’s small, it’s quiet, and it Just Works -- right out of the box. Who could ask for more?? Thanks you so much"
"This computer is performing just as I had hoped. It meets all my expectations and the purposes for which it was designed. My one concern is about updating to Windows 8. The system that I purchased is working perfectly."
"Can I still down grade the OS to win 7. My wife hates win8...."
"I despise this 8.1 operating system, I can' t figure how to do simple things."
"I'm not happy with WIN8 anyway and want to go back to WIN7."
Wow! What are we going to do about this? Customer education continues to be our primary tool. We have conversations about Windows 8 as part of the pre-sales process every hour of every day. But there is a problem -- remember how I talked about our laptops having better, more mature Windows 8 drivers? I believe this trend will continue. Windows 8 DOES have some really nice technology improvements built in, and hardware manufacturers can get more mileage and features out of their hardware with Windows 8. Windows 7 has already hit its peak support from hardware manufacturers, and it will be downhill from here.

With that reality in hand, we need to be able to offer Windows 8 and help our customers avoid the pain points. I am excited to announce a new free service we just launched, optional with all our Windows 8 PCs -- a Windows 8 makeover to look and act more like Windows 7. This idea was born out of our article How to Make Windows 8.1 Act More Like Windows 7, which is actually one of the most popular articles we've ever written (which tells you a lot right there!). With some new options provided in Windows 8.1, the use of a few 3rd party utilities, and a few dozen other modifications, we are able to provide a Windows 8 PC that looks and behaves much more like Windows 7. We feel that with these changes, we can do our customers the service of skipping the emotional stages #1-4 I talked about above, and let them skip straight to #5. Windows 8 really is a nice operating system, once you get past all the terrible user interface decisions that Microsoft has made. After so many months of hearing what people REALLY want, we're excited to be able to provide it.

The official name and link for this new service is: Windows 8 Makeover: Emulate Windows 7

What do you think? What was your first reaction to Windows 8? If the start screen wasn't forced on you, would you have had a different first impression of Windows 8? How would that alter how you feel about it today?
Tags: Windows 8, Windows 7, Metro, Start Screen
Sean Long

Win8 was written to push towards touch-screens, like tablets and the Surface.

For those of us who aren't going to be using touch screens anytime soon .. "blecch" is about the whole of what needs to be said about Win8.

Posted on 2014-03-25 10:00:50

I am still using Win 7 on my Obsidian and Traverse Laptop, and like it a lot. However, there will come a time when I'll purchase a new PC from Puget Systems, and most likely I'll have to move to Win 8. When that time does come, I'll certainly take advantage of your new, and excellent, courtesy install referred to in your post. Just curious, but will Puget include the additional files, and instructions along with the Win 8 install disk if a user needs to do a clean install? Hopefully, by the time I need to upgrade, Microsoft will have a new OS that is more user-friendly for everyone--casual or power user. --P

Posted on 2014-03-25 19:58:12

In the situation of a clean install we can certainly provide all the files we use, but for something like this we generally prefer to have a customer call our support department to get talked through the process. Our Windows 8 makeover in particular is a bit different than most software installs since there are actually a few things that can't be automated through a script and must be done manually. However, we do provide driver and software downloads for all the parts we offer, and this makeover package is no different. If you go to the makeover part ( https://www.pugetsystems.co... ) and scroll to the bottom, you will see a download link for the exact files we are using in our production department. It isn't polished to the point that we would try to publish it on a grand scale, but especially if you have one of our support techs on the phone that zip file has everything you would need to do the entire makeover yourself.

Posted on 2014-03-25 20:30:39

Thanks, Matt. I can always count on you guys for straightforward answer!--P

Posted on 2014-03-25 21:29:36

Now if you can just make Windows 7 and Windows 8 look and act like Windows XP. :)

Posted on 2014-03-25 23:02:46
EricG - Futurelooks

When I first looked at Windows 8 just before launch, I kept telling everyone that it wasn't really designed for a basic, standard desktop computer. It was designed for touch screens and mobile devices which were very few at the time. Microsoft partnered with every major computer manufacturer to help "move" customers to touch screens. What MS didn't account for in all their powerful marketing wisdom was the lack of touch devices on the market. And, the pricing of what was available was ridiculously expensive. Thus, the law of supply and demand didn't work. You can't create real market demand through an operating system when you don't have enough affordable devices to support it.

Windows 8 isn't difficult to use or any more complicated than figuring out a new mobile OS on a smart phone. In fact, new users to today's smart phones display the EXACT SAME emotional process. However, if they really want to get their money's worth, they'll happily work through the emotions. We all have at some point.

Posted on 2014-03-26 02:56:12

this OS is not designed with the older people in mind or people that are not to bright, you have to be pretty smart to take in windows 8. i have be in the trade for at least 30 years and i'm just getting use to windows 8 any one older and me will have a problem with it! as a guy was say there are not many help files! and the menus are not very helpful at least with the old windows you knew where you were with the star menu!
I would even go as far to say microsoft should have put a set in window 8 so you could swicth the function on slowly to get use to it! of even give you a full on tutorial! but this os is should only be for touch screens or tablets! big PC's it is no good for you are just wasting processing power!

i run a dual monitor win 7 system in an I5 intel super two quad 4.3 over clocked
and i would not think of run the dual monitor on windows 8 because it would be a waste of time as One. i could not have the backgrounds running and two windows 8 would not allow me to do half of the thing is do in win7. and that is not good! when i like to display my art!

Posted on 2014-03-26 19:52:14
EricG - Futurelooks

This is definitely one of the valid sentiments shared by most of the PC market. I'm not sure just how old is considered old as I see 50 to 65 year old professors figuring it out. And, I don't recall any PC or tech being designed for people that aren't too bright as you put it (save the giant 10 button remote control). However, I see all ages of the more patient people taking the time to figure out Windows 8 but it isn't without its frustrations and yes it seems mostly younger people make the effort. The most impatient and rejecting people opt for a Windows 7 machine rather than Windows 8 machine in the same room always. This is one reason why so many companies have skipped Windows 8. Our Windows 8 machines have the gear icon shortcut that switches it to look like Windows 7 desktop. We couldn't wait for MS to create the baby steps so we've made our own.

Posted on 2014-03-27 18:02:14
Gareth Perks

Jon, thank you for sharing that with the world. A lovely article, without drama or strong opinion.

I use 8.1 at work (new pc), and am absolutely loving the technical experience.

I find myself switching between 2 custom themes though, to reduce my eye strain. If Win8 had a "basic" theme I would be over the moon! (XP compatibility mode is too darn slow). The bleaching of the taskbar is a real headache too - I wish that wasn't mandatory.

Posted on 2014-03-26 19:30:14

windows 8 is crap! all it is a glorified tablet OS! I only use it on my laptop because i have to and i have software that i run over the top of it so I don't have to deal with it useless way of working! I can't be dealing with there idea's that our computers are gaming tablets with no functions but to slid sideways! with no backgrounds! i'm sorry but i want pretty pictures on my back grounds not some stupid arse bunch of squares! get your act together and give us our normal desktop back! that my thoughts on windows 8

Posted on 2014-03-26 19:31:05

With Windows 8, Microsoft missed two important issues:

1. Customers are always meant to have the last word. Windows 8 turns this rule upside down by preventing customers from deciding how they use their systems. Windows 8 is proof that taking control away from the user may develop into a marketing disaster.

2. Short support cycles are often perceived as failure to stand by a product. This is exactly what makes Windows 8 seem like an excuse for the numerous bugs that have never been addressed in Windows 7. Customers dislike being treated like sheep (unless they are).

Posted on 2014-03-27 08:25:54

Win8 looks like it was designed for a 13 year old who's only purpose for computing is to update a Facebook up send a tweet. It was not made for professionals serious about multi-tasking, using "programs" like project, solid works, or 25-100 MB excell workbooks with script. I will not use this OS.

Posted on 2014-05-29 12:13:38
Clay B

Since 8.1, it's like win7. Love it. Paired with SSD, it's so fast.

Posted on 2015-01-19 02:25:40