Ivy Bridge CPU TIM Paste ReplacementWritten on September 6, 2012 by Matt Bach
Even before launch of the Intel Ivy Bridge CPUs in April 2012, it was discovered that the CPUs were running a bit hotter than expected. It was expected that they would run at lower temperatures than their Sandy Bridge predecessor, but this was found to not be the case. One of the earliest reports of this issue came from Overclockers.net, where it was claimed that the heat issue was caused by Intel using TIM paste instead of fluxless solder between the CPU die and the Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS).
The TIM paste was proven to be the culprit when the Japanese site PC Watch published an article showing how they removed the IHS and replaced the TIM paste with both high quality thermal paste and Liquid Pro. They reported a load temperature drop of 8-11 °C at stock clock speeds, and an amazing 15-20°C drop in load temperatures when overclocked to 4.6GHz.
Since then, there have been numerous forum threads across the internet of end users replacing the TIM paste themselves and the results they found (example one and two). The results aren't quite as impressive as PC Watch's and vary widely between a drop in load temperatures of 2 °C all the way up to a drop of 10 °C. Some users also used this as a way to increase the amount of overclock they were able to achieve, and while results are scarcer than temperature results, the trend appears to be a 100-200 MHz bump to their overclock.
Ivy Bridge has been out for a while now, so we were interested in seeing if anything has changed since April. So, like PC Watch, we decided to open up an Intel i7-3770K and replace the TIM paste ourselves with some Gelid GC-EXTREME thermal compound. In case you are thinking of doing this yourself, keep in mind that this is something that can easily cause damage to the CPU and will completely void your warranty with Intel.
Replacing the TIM Paste
Using a razor blade, we removed the IHS to get to the CPU die. After replacing the paste, we applied Permatex RTV Silicone Gasket Maker to the edges of the IHS and clamped it down onto the main CPU. While removing the IHS completely would result in better temperatures, it would make the CPU lower than heatsinks are designed for and would require a lot of extra work to get the heatsink securely seated to the bare CPU die. The CPU die is also fairly fragile and the IHS works as a crush plate, preventing the heatsink from damaging the CPU die, so we wanted to leave it in place for that reason as well.
The actual work was fairly straight-forward, and since a full guide is available in the article we linked, we will simply leave you with the pictures showing various stages of our progress.
It is worth pointing out that we actually had to perform this process multiple times on multiple CPUs. The first time was simply to get a feel for the process and see how challenging it was. The second was intended to be the CPU on which we performed our extensive testing on, but after replacing the TIM paste we found that the fourth memory channel was no longer functional. Since we did not want a damaged CPU skewing our results, we had to mod a third CPU for our testing. This just goes to show that even when professionals are performing this modification, there is a decent chance of damage occurring to the CPU.
While we wanted to see how much better CPU temperatures are with the TIM paste replaced and what it would mean for overclocking, we also wanted to see how it would affect system noise. Lower temperatures should result in lower fan RPMs, but the question we want to answer is how much of a difference it will make.
At Puget Systems, we have a very heavy focus on quiet systems with our popular Serenity line of desktops. We normally outsource our noise certifications for our Serenity line of systems to partners including Silent PC Review since the systems are so quiet that we can not accurately measure them in-house, but in the interest of time we decided to instead simply record the CPU fan RPMs to get a general idea of whether or not replacing the TIM paste will result in lower system noise. If the results are significant enough, our planned followup is to work with our partners to get accurate full system noise comparisons.
|Testing Hardware||Deluge A2||Serenity|
|Motherboard:||Asus P8Z77-V Pro|
|CPU:||Intel Core i7 3770K 3.4GHz|
|GPU:||EVGA Geforce GTX 680 2GB||
Asus Geforce GTX 670 2GB DirectCU II /
Intel HD Graphics
|RAM:||4x Kingston HyperX DDR3-1600 4GB Low Voltage|
|PSU:||SeaSonic X-1050 1050W Power Supply|
|Hard Drive:||Intel 330 120GB SATA 6Gb/s 2.5inch SSD|
|Chassis:||Antec P183 V3 (Gunmetal Finish)|
|CPU Heatsink:||Puget Hydro CL3 Liquid Cooling System||Gelid Tranquillo Rev2|
In the Deluge A2 configuration, we will be running the system at stock CPU clock speed, as well as at a 4.5 GHz overclock, which is the highest stable overclock we were able to achieve with this hardware. On the Serenity system, we will not be doing any overclocking, but will test with both a discrete video card as well as with the onboard video from the CPU.
While we did record temperature and fan speeds from both the CPU and the GPU, the GPU results did not vary by any significant amount so we will only be focusing on the CPU results. CPU temperatures were recorded with CoreTemp with the results presented as the average temperature of the four cores. CPU fan RPMs were recorded using SpeedFan. We let the system idle for at least 45 minutes before recording the idle temperatures, and to put the system under 100% load we ran a combination of both Prime95 and Furmark.
Our margin of error for our temperature measurements is 1 °C and for fan speeds is 50 RPM.
In the Deluge A2 configuration, we see a much smaller drop in temperatures than we expected. While we expected the idle temperatures to stay the same, the 2.5 °C drop in load temperature at the stock speed and the 2.25 °C drop in load temperature when overclocked is much less than we thought we would see given what we have read online.
We are using the Asus QFan fan throttling feature that is on this motherboard, so it may be that these underwhelming results are more a matter of the motherboard realizing that it does not have to ramp up the fans as much to keep the CPU at a good temperature. So while the temperature is not significantly lower, perhaps the CPU fan speed is significantly lower. The answer to that question, however, will have to wait until the next section.
The results from our Serenity configuration are more what we expected to see with a 7.5 °C drop in load temperatures with the Asus GTX 670 installed. Curiously, the load temperatures only dropped by 3.5 °C when we used onboard video. While the ~2 °C drop we saw in the Deluge A2 configuration is underwhelming, these results are much more promising.
Fan Speed Results
We postulated that the mediocre temperature results we saw in the Deluge A2 testing was due to the Asus QFan ramping, but unfortunately that does not appear to be the case. At both stock and overclocked clock speeds, the CPU fan speeds were all within our margin of error, and thus are effectively unchanged by replacing the TIM paste.
Once again, our results in the Serenity configuration are much more interesting than the Deluge A2 configuration. While the fan RPMs when using onboard video are essentially unchanged, we did see a 80 RPM drop in the CPU fan speed when using the Asus GTX 670. Very precise measuring devices in an anechoic chamber might be able to discern a noise difference, but unfortunately in the real world a difference of 80 RPM is so minor that it would be almost impossible to detect with the human ear.
Before we get into our overclocking results, we need to make one very important statement: When we perform an overclock - any overclock - stability is always our foremost concern. Getting an extreme overclock may be good for bragging rights, but if it causes your system to be even slightly unstable, that's not a trade-off we believe our customers want us to make. For this reason, our overclocks are often not as high as what some may post to the enthusiast forums or from our competitors who put sheer clock speed ahead of stability.
With that said, we were able to achieve an additional 200MHz on our overclock by raising the CPU voltage an additional .045V, resulting in a final overclock of 4.7GHz. We were not at all temperature limited before the TIM paste replacement, so this result indicates to us that replacing the TIM paste is doing more than just reducing the temperature of the CPU cores. There is a lot going on when overclocking a CPU, and it appears that replacing the TIM paste assists in ways other than simply reducing the CPU temperature.
As we stated, the CPU core temperature was not the limiting factor in our overclocking, which becomes obvious when you look at our temperature results. Both of the above results are with the TIM paste replaced, and we saw an 8.25 °C increase in CPU temperatures as a result of the extra .045V going to the CPU.
A roughly 8 °C increase in CPU temperatures is quite a bit, and it shows in our fan speed results. In order to keep the CPU cool, the CPU fan had to ramp up almost 400 RPM. This is a significant amount, and results in a noticeable noise increase.
Temperature: Our temperature results were very inconsistent. The Deluge A2 configuration at both stock and OC clocks saw about a 2 °C drop in load temperatures; while the Serenity with the Asus GTX 670 saw an impressive 7.5 °C drop in load temperatures. The Serenity configuration with onboard video was in the middle with a 3.5 °C drop in load temperatures after replacing the TIM paste.
To be fair to Intel, the temperatures on Ivy Bridge CPUs are great even without the fluxless solder, so while some of these results are significant, they are unlikely to greatly affect the majority of PC users.
Fan Speeds: The only test that showed a decrease in CPU fan speeds beyond our margin of error was the Serenity configuration with the Asus GTX 670 which saw an 80 RPM drop in CPU fan speeds. This is very minor, however, and for all practical purposes is small enough to not matter.
Overclocking: We were able to achieve a 200MHz (.2GHz) higher overclock with the TIM paste replaced, but this also resulted in much higher CPU temperatures and fan speeds. So while replacing the TIM paste may allow a user to overclock further, the CPU cooling needs to be able to handle the additional heat that is produced.
So now the big question: is replacing the TIM paste worth it? Considering all of our results and the fact that even as careful as we were we ended up damaging one CPU, we would say that in most cases it is simply not worth the risk. While we did see load temperatures drop across the board, the CPU temperatures were already well within acceptable limits prior to replacing the TIM paste. If replacing the paste also resulted in significantly lower fan speeds we would be tempted to say that it is worth it from a system noise standpoint, but it didn't.
What is interesting is that the limited testing we performed on the first CPU we modded (which again was more to experience the process rather than do in-depth testing) showed a 10 °C drop in load temperatures at stock clock speeds after replacing the TIM paste. In comparison we saw only a 2 °C drop we saw in our extended testing on our third modded CPU.
What we believe happened is that the first CPU had a particularly bad TIM paste application, while the third was relatively very good. No matter how automated the manufacturing process, there are always variances from plant to plant and even from day to day. The first CPU we tested likely had a relatively bad TIM paste application, while the CPU we used for testing had relatively good paste application. This is supported by two facts. First, our pre-TIM testing showed that the first CPU we modded ran about 7 °C hotter than the CPU that we performed our extended testing on. Second: after replacing the TIM paste, both CPUs had temperatures within 1 °C of each other. So in other words, replacing the TIM paste will only cause a significant difference if the TIM paste was badly applied in the first place.
At the start of this project, we were exploring the possibility of offering TIM paste replacement as an option for our customers. After seeing how inconsistent the results are and how large the risk is, we have decided against doing so at this time. Still, we know that there are many out there that love to tinker with their system for the possibility of lower temperatures. So let us know in the comments below; is replacing the TIM paste something you would ever do on your own CPU, or do you feel that it is simply not worth the effort and risk?